Apple vs. Apple

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The Beatles holding company Apple Corps has been bitching at Apple Computers for years but now with the popularity of the iTunes music store Paul and Ringo are pissed. Apple Corps claims that the iTunes service infringes on Apple Corps trademark. I am looking forward to finding out how much the settlement will be.






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paxton's picture

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Considering that the average iTunes user has most likely never heard of an Apple Corp that does anything but make computers, it

duncan's picture

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$30M in '91 was a good reason. There is speculation that this one will be the biggest settlement in in legal history. Since the Beatles were taken to the cleaners while in their heyday I think it's fine if they want to cash in now. Maybe Sir Paul can buy back some of his music after this.

paxton's picture

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So bad business skills justifies one of the most frivolous lawsuits in the history of international intellectual property rights? Steve Jobs should tell Paul and Ringo to get a life and go fuck themselves. Since the terms of the earlier lawsuit spell out clearly that Apple computer was not to go into the music business, I would have to imagine that the Cupertino lawyers thought this one through. If its really that big of a deal maybe Paul could buy some of his music back by producing something interesting, like a nice song or something. Being an old curmudgeon is not an excuse to stifle innovation and industry. I wish a broken hip on them both.

duncan's picture

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yeah yeah yeah. I hear ya. I think it's stupid but I guess I have a soft spot for musicians sticking it to corporations. I am going to go back to writing some new music with my new band Microsoft now.

Yetitibbs's picture

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I'll just say this, Apple Computers signed a contract with Apple Corp that they would not get involved with music in any way and that they would be financially responsible to reimbursing Apple Corp if they did. Talk about bad business deals. They broke a contract, they should pay.
And what Duncan said.

(As I say this all from an iMac listening to iTunes.)
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duncan's picture

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It's not David and Goliath it's Goliath and Goliath. So if I am choosing sides, I pick the artists, who get fucked every step of the way.

Here is a unrelated question. Which would you rather, a world without Apple Computers or a world without The Beatles?

MikeMarsJr's picture

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"Apple Computers signed a contract with Apple Corp that they would not get involved with music in any way and that they would be financially responsible to reimbursing Apple Corp if they did."
that is the key to this whole thing.
why did apple pc think this was OK .. I mean its hard to sneaky behind a multi million dollar ad campaign and a ton of revenue. why did they think this was in the realm of there agreement.


"GOOD. BAD. IM THE ONE WITH THE SHOT GUN "......

MikeMarsJr's picture

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"Which would you rather, a world without Apple Computers or a world without The Beatles?"

how about if we have a world with computer beatles ringo 4.0 be da best

Ronaldo's picture

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Yeah, "Fruity Loops: featuring Ringo Starr! V3.5"

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paxton's picture

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In regards to your unrelated question Duncan. It

paxton's picture

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This article should offer a little insight into how hip the Beatles are too what's going on with internet based music distro.

"When asked why the former band members were not putting the group's music online, he added: "I do not think there is any reason for it at all."

Way to stay relevant guys...

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duncan's picture

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This article should offer a little insight into how hip the Beatles are too what's going on with internet based music distro.


Talk about irrelevant things to say. What The Beatles, who have not made music together in over 30 years, think about internet distrobution is retarded. They were never responsible for anything other than being the most influential and important rock and rock musicians so far. I don't, nor did I ever, care what they might think about the internet. Leave that to the nerds.

duncan's picture

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In regards to your unrelated question Duncan. It

paxton's picture

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The original contract, although completely valid from a business perspective, is total greed based bullshit from an ethical perspective. The agreement was no more than a gentleman

duncan's picture

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Buck Paxton
Point being this is was trademark dispute; it was relevant at the time because the Apple Corp logo was still relevant at the time.


Relevant at the time? Apple Corp is more relevant now than it was in '81. Hell it was started in '68 and practically out of business by '70. It wasn't until many years later that is dug itself out of debt because of all the frivolous spending. The mid 90's "Anthology" series brought it shitloads of money making Apple Corp and The Beatles more "relevant" than they had been in decades.

paxton's picture

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You

duncan's picture

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Don't get lost. I just re-read my posts and I make perfect sense.

The Beatles, who are musicians, and the management of Apple Corp, are two very different entities. For you to point out that perhaps Ringo Starr doesn't know what the Internet is, is dumb.

We can safely leave arguments over artistic success out of this because I think we both are on the same page regarding the artistic merits of The Beatles. That said, The Beatles are FAR more successful in business over the past 10 years than they were at the height of their artistic successes. I am not saying The Beatles were sleeping on the street during their heyday but they were being taken to the cleaners by corrupt accountants and bad management. They are not alone in this scenario of course, The Stones had it worse I think. Anyway, to think that they had the fortune that they have now, back in the 60's when the entire world was screaming for them, is wrong.

If you start a sprocket company tomorrow called Apple, feel free to make sprockets and enjoy all the spoils that good sprocket making will bring you. If you decide one day that you are going to start selling music you had better check with Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia. It's simple Trademark law. I think it's a little crappy and I think that there is as much confusion with this as there is with the WWF but I like Beatles more than I like computer companies so I cast my vote for them.

paxton's picture

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ok first off who told drummers they were capable of making sense.

I never said that the Beatles were unaware of the internet as Al Gore created it. I said they are stupid Limey bums if they decide it makes more sense to whack apple with a lawsuit instead off selling music through them. Fiscal sense that is. Chingy fans would start buying Beatles albums! That

duncan's picture

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I would disagree with this being simple copyright law.


I would too. I said it's simple trademark law.

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Apple Inc. has reached an agreement with Apple Corps Ltd., the record label started by The Beatles in 1968, concerning the use of the name "Apple" and related logos.

Under the terms of the agreement announced Monday, Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple Inc. (formerly Apple Computer) will own all trademarks and logos related to the name "Apple" and will license them accordingly to the Apple Corps Ltd. music company.

This marks an end to the long-running copyright feud between the two similarly named companies. Additionally, it replaces a pre-existing agreement, signed in 1991, which forbade Apple Inc. from distributing music through physical media like CDs and cassette tapes--an agreement that, needless to say, predated the advent of the digital music market. Apple Inc. has stated that both companies will bear their existing legal costs.
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In a statement, Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs said that "we love The Beatles, and it has been painful being at odds with them over these trademarks." Jobs added that "it feels great to resolve this in a positive manner, and in a way that should remove the potential of further disagreements in the future."

There is no word yet on whether this deal will eventually lead to the sale of The Beatles' music catalog in Apple Inc.'s iTunes Store, as the songs of the Fab Four are still not available for legal digital download.

Apple Inc. could not be immediately reached for comment.

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