In a conversation involving several people do you sometimes just sit and listen? Or do you always have to chime in? When the conversation goes bad, do you bail out and stop talking or do you continue to argue points with people who don't care to hear your point of view?
I often lurk on this board. Because I don't have a computer of my own that automatically signs in every time. I shall continue to "lurk." Sorry.
All done with nice.
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Don't apologize. I don't dislike lurkers. I'm just curious who the 35,000 people who view a thread but don't speak. I wonder who they are.
Thanks for a useful explanation, Fanny.
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Hey no problem.
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guilty
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Meanwhile lurking by a stone in the mud
Two eyes looked to see what I was and
Then something spoke and this is what
It said to me.......
I know What I Like And I Like What I Know
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Hey Fanny, next time the two of us are out I think it would be awesome to just go up to a random group of strangers, stand there and listen to their conversation and not introduce ourselves or add anything to the conversation.
Although, I think it would be much more fun, if the conversation was intresting, to just add something to it.
If I started conversations all the time and all anyone did was just look at me and not say anything, not even a nod, I might after a while just stop talking. Of course I am setting myself up for something here by wording it like that.
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By the way, I don't think VB keeps anyone logged on, which, along with not having a push button option for quoting, really hinders the user friendly aspects of this particular board.
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quoting is available if you select the DHTML editor. I may take down the more full featured but quoteless 'tiny editor' so that people are able to use the board easier.
As for staying logged in. If you check off the "remember me" box on login, you should stay logged in. It works for me, so unless someone says it isn't working, I just don't know about it.
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I like tinyeditor, though...
I occasionally get logged out of the site, checkboxes to the contrary. As near as I can tell, this has something to do with dynamic IP addressing and Firefox. Sometimes, but not all of the time, when Charter decides to flip me to a different IP, all of my "log in automatically" sites show me as logged out the next time I connect to them.
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Hi Barry!!!! I just want to pinch your cheeks!!!
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I think lurking, for whatever reason, is more prevalent for some reason on Volcano Boy then it is on most of the other boards that I frequent. I mean if you go and look back through the archives my guess is that the percentage of threads with either no replies or just maybe one or two is much higher then on other boards that have as much traffic as this one does. It's a peculiar thing I think. That's all.
Also, you don't see hardly any 5 or 6 pagers here.
This is honestly not a complaint, just an observation that has to do with this thread.
An actual complaint though is that there aren't any silly emoticons. Another one is that nothing too silly really ever happens here.
We are very serious here at Volcano Boy! :) :) :)
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:-o :-( :-) :-D :-? 8-) :lol: $-) ;-) :heart: :idea: :tongue: :straight: :pint:
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come on Gabe. We have silly emoticons here, always have.
One thing that we have done with the site is moderate everything so that for the most part it is a welcoming environment for new people. One of the things that ruined WTDO in my opinion was the personal attacks and lack of moderation, eventually people just gave up on it. What it did have that is sadly missed is a real feeling of networking amongst the community. That site existed before MySpace and the social networking craze that went along with it. Now web networking is being done with MySpace, Facebook, Linked In etc.
If there is an idea that anyone has about how to make this site more valuable to the readers and to yourself please let us know.
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One thing that i appreciate about this site is that if i post something that no one comments on i can still check the stats to see that there was still an interest in the topic.
regarding Lurkers:
not everyone wants to have an "online personality" so i can understand if they look and do not comment.
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You know, it's probably just the fact that the other 4 boards that I frequent are all invision boards I think? Therefore they all operate the same and when I come to VB it's a new set of stuff I have to figure out. That might make me lazy I guess, but I don't know.
I guess I just find the invision boards to be a little bit more user friendly.
Like for instance the menu of emoticons is all just laid out for you in a place you can't miss it as opposed to under a menu that you need to click on.
Quotes just appear automatically instead of something needed to be cut and pasted, at least that's how I see it but there may be a better way that I just haven't figured out yet.
I think we would all like to believe in the awesome networking aspect that a board can have. Those of us that were around for the peak of WTDO know that this can absolutely happen. There is a thread over at WTNL about this exact thing right now. I owe a couple of very good friends to WTDO.
In my opinion though, message boards are kind of like TV. Occasionally you can get some good info, and more than likely you will get some good laughs and occasionally some excitement. For the most part though people just use a message board to pass the time. Interacting with other people doing the same thing while they are stuck wherever they are stuck with nothing to do until they can go out and interact in the real world.
I think if you think of it like that, that a message board is what it is, a place people stop in at 3 minute intervals during their work day to waste time, then all the other cool stuff will happen naturally. I am convinced though that most of your traffic comes from people just stopping in, and to make it look like a highly trafficed message board you need to make things as easy and simple as possible, yes even childlike, for people to just come in and spout whatever crap they were going to and then go back to TPS reports and spread sheets.
Of course if this isn't at all what you are looking for and you are fine with a message board that does not look like it gets the traffic that it actually does that's fine too.
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The message board was not my original concern for this site. In fact it is still often debated whether or not it should even be here. This site has the ability to function as a community site, people can add links, music, news and comment on all of that stuff. The board just happens to be a way for people to segue into contributing to other aspects of the board. Most of our traffic comes from news stories on the front page. You can't gauge a websites traffic from it's message board.
That said, Invision is a powerful message board system, if this site was just going to be a board, I would likely use that system. I am always looking for ways to improve this site, the board is one place that needs it. At the time I built this site, 2004, I chose Xoops as a platform to start with. At this point, short of a enormous conversion to a new platform, I am sticking with it. There are other, better, systems such as Joomla and Drupal but at the time I built the site, Xoops had the features I wanted most.
I am looking into some updates to the forum, there is a way to integrate Invision, but it's an undertaking I haven't had the time/energy for lately.
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Am I the only one who feels like there's a difference between not having a user account or ever contributing to the board versus having an account, signing in to say something occasionally, but just reading without signing in if you have nothing to say? I don't really consider that lurking.
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Gabe, great comparison to TV. That is right on the money!
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Gabe, what happend to make you a Dick since I've been gone?
Do you comment on every topic you view? I just checket out 10 topics here and only saw your comments on two. Did you only view the two you commented on? Really? You have no interest or opinion on Doug Chapel, The Dive Bar anniversary, Worcester Beerworks or the Eagles at WalMart? Really? You never looked at the threads and have nothing to add about those subjects? Really? No interest? And the board isn't user friendly enough for you? Really? Maybe you should post over at Wormtown.org and converse with Steve Blake and the other 40 people that view the site every week (myself included) . I believe the Quote feature works better there.
And as an aside to the people behind Volcanoboy, that other site I mentioned may have a no so active board but it does have a lot of great, well written information about what's going on in an around Worcester and a pretty in depth "Listings" section.
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Here's the irony. I'm the guy who started the thread. Then, this morning, I read the updates to this continuation, and moved on. I lurked! So, here I am explaining that I lurked and have nothing to add of any particular use at this point.
Lurking is just plain easier.
Really, I had initialy just wanted to comment that 30,000+ people were viewing certain threads.
So, if you're a band, it may looklikeno one comments on your gig announcement (no one ever does on this type of thread), but that more people than you think are seeing it.
To increase traffic maybe we should all take a porn approach and load the announcements with salacious keywords, like "sex," "wiener," and "republican."
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Gabe, I do get that you are partially kidding around. Also, situations like that do kind of happen. Happens to me all the time at the grocery store.
You can't equate face to face communication with message board communication. They just aren't at all the same.
A message board or a blog is an anonymous way to throw your ideas into the world. Sometimes people read them and want to talk about them. Sometimes people read them but have nothing salient to add. Sometimes people just want to see the drama unfold and watch like a train wreck.
A face to face conversation has a whole other set of rules including body language that dictates whether or not a person can join in. Even then, sometimes people contribute when they're not invited. I've sat and listened without contributing to many conversations. Although my ADHD does sometimes compel me to start singing in the middle of some of those conversations. :)
Also, my point about the logging in is that if you don't have your own computer you can't just have the remember me option on. It's not a big deal, I'm not complaining about it. It's just an observation.
People on this board happen to know each other pretty well so it takes away some of the anonymity that otherwise would exist. But it doesn't change the fact that sometimes, you just don't feel like "talking."
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Also, Matt. I didn't start this thread as a response to just your thread. It was a response to several comments I've lurked around this place and found regarding lurking, apologizing for lurking, or commenting just to say they aren't lurking. I don't think lurking is all that big a deal. And clearly neither do you.
Let's change this thread to "Sex, wiener, republican."
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I lurked for about 8 months without signing up to post.
But I will admit that the volcanoboy conglomerate has been a fountain of cool info for me ever since I moved into the city in the beginning of the year.