Kelly Square is by far the most dangerous intersection I have ever had to navigate through.

As for the cameras, they are put up by Nestor Traffic Systems and are actually purchased from us. Currently they are using Nikon D200's. Yup. Useless info from your friend Barry.

now we know...and knowing is half the battle :)

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They modify them and hardwire them in so even if you did steal one it would be useless to you.
Sorry.

Traffic cams are a disease...and they spread just like one too...they start off with a few intersections, then red light cameras, next thing you know there are speed traps all over the high ways stuffing the state coffers by penalizing people for disobeying artificially low speed limits designed not for safety but...to stuff the state coffers.

anyway...I have to disagree Barry...while that intersection is insane, it does seem to let traffic flow and I have seen very few actual accidents there. Sort of like my town where traffic actually flows better when some one plows into the million dollar traffic light and it just blinks yellow.

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Traffic cams are a disease...and they spread just like one too...they start off with a few intersections, then red light cameras, next thing you know there are speed traps all over the high ways stuffing the state coffers by penalizing people for disobeying artificially low speed limits designed not for safety but...to stuff the state coffers.

anyway...I have to disagree Barry...while that intersection is insane, it does seem to let traffic flow and I have seen very few actual accidents there. Sort of like my town where traffic actually flows better when some one plows into the million dollar traffic light and it just blinks yellow.

how about the "new" mass pike exit?

where i-90, 146, the 146/290 connector and rt 20 all merge into one lane... backed up EVERY DAY.

id love to meet the engineer that stamped off that approval

either way... i guess its not that dangerous... just messed up. i just read the topic. woops.

rt 56 and stafford is dangerous. people are going like 75mph on 56.

kelly square used to have lights didnt it? i think i heard that over the years theve tried dozens of things to try to route traffic and spent tons of $ on consultants and such. i think the final decision was just to keep it the way it is and let people figure it out on their own.

IF used correctly...problem is they hardly ever are.

Oh hell, many concepts are simple...just down the street from where I work they had a bunch of people get run over while crossing the crosswalk...the original concept is simple...yield to people in crosswalk. Didn't work.

So they put in a light...blinks unless a person hits the button. Problem is people will hit the button, then walk, so its still green then turns red when there isn't any one there, but you have to come skidding to a halt because moron couldn't wait 2 second.

Basically, people are fucking morons and all the traffic laws in the world won't help that, and I still believe more tickets should be given for going slow in the passing lane than people going fast and...get this...PASSING PEOPLE.

My childhood dream was to have enough money that I could hook a plow up to a truck and 'move' people driving too slow off to the side.

dare to dream.

No, it doesn't qualify because it's really not that dangerous. People pay a lot more attention there than they do at intersections with traffic lights. I've only had my license since May so I'm probably not the best person to ask but I have driven through Kelley Sq. a lot (in fact, that's the only way I know how to get to pretty much anything in Worcester) and I never found it that hard.

In no particular order:

1. Kelley Square seems dangerous because of the lack of lights yes. It also has I think 7 streets entering/leaving it. Some are one ways which have 2 lanes. One of those streets leads into a highway exit and entrance. So it's also ridiculously busy. In it's defense. I've been driving Worcester for a while, have never been in an accident there and never seen one. I also rarely see people on cellphones when driving through there. It probably wasn't considered dangerous because I'd guess the stats are low for it.

2. Roundabouts work fantastically in Europe (at least France, England and Ireland). So if people in the US can't correctly use a roundabout, or rotary as we tend to call 'em in Wistah, the fault is us. We don't have enough of them for people to understand proper roundabout technique/laws. The ones we have in Worcester, are not used as them, because they erroneously or arbitrarily mark some enterences as stops or yields when they should ALL be yields as no single direction in a roundabout has the right of way.

3. Again, I can only speak for Worcester, but as a pedestrian I've hit the button and waited through several cycles of a light when there was no traffic around and I could have crossed without the light. And believe it or not, just because a person is walking, it doesn't always mean they've got all the time in the world to wait through several cycles of traffic. If they'd time the damned walk buttons better, you'd see less of the press and run situations too.

4. Franklin and Harding...just silly. No effort, not even a yield sign. Avoid it if you can, especially during high traffic hours. But that could be chalked up to either Cindy's "no light = no intersection" theory or the opposing "no light = better driving" theory.

Shrewsbury has the WORST walk signals! The walk signal for the intersection at fairlawn plaza only gives yoou enoug time to get half way across the 2 lanes....so you HAVE to press and run

I love Kelley Square. It's perfect the way it is. It's the closest thing to a tourist attraction we have. If it's a vote, I say leave it alone.

I wouldn't put a light at kelly square either. I would put a park bench or two up somewhere so people can sit and watch the chaos.
Cindy and I used to call it the Bonzi Intersection before we knew it's name. Because you would just yell "Bonzi!!" as you drove through it and hope for the best.