Don't listen to/watch Limabaugh so I have no clue what he has to say about the matter. I do remember a primary speech where Obama claimed (no doubt to a bunch of like-minded folks) that all that American soldiers were doing in Iraq was air-raiding villages and killing civilians, or something to that effect.
Don't fret, I would never slur your Messiah. Nor would I ever try to convince someone to not vote for the man. It's impossible to reason someone out of feeling an emotion, and the vast majority of Obama voters will vote based on emotion, much like they did for Deval. Besides, McCain is not my first, third, or even fifth choice among Republicans, so I'll carry no water for him.

Anyway, if you're an Obama-backer, your perspective might be valuable to me on another front. While I was reading about the upcoming RNC/DNC Conventions and the possibility of disturbances by protesters/"anarchists", etc. something struck me. I'm not predicting anything, mind you, just asking: If Obama loses in November, particularly if it's a tight margin, do you believe that there is any possibility (1-in 10, 1-in-100, No Chance?) that there will be serious (deadly) riots in some of the more riot-prone cities in the U.S.? It sounds paranoid to even put into words, but I can imagine a scenario where the network anchors, having seen their candidate defeated, would immediately conjure up some "racist" explanation for his defeat and fan the flames of discord.

Actually he did say that in New Hampshire last year. I beleive it was in reference to increasing troops in Afghanistan. Its old news.

I know he didn't say we were killing civilians in Iraq, he said we were doing that in Afghanistan. I didn't see where Lincoln had said that in reference to Iraq. I thought he was just saying that he said troops were killing civilians.

I agree. Its unfortunate that it has become what it has become . Fox, CNN, MSNBC, whomever, can not wait to break out their giant IPhone screen things and open up graphs or circle things with their fingers while playing clips of the candidates dancing at Oktoberfest. I will wait for the plan, assess its likelihood, in my mind, of success and vote accordingly.
If Obama wants to go around the Middle East and Asia doing his thing, thats all part of the dance.

Here's what I'm objecting to. You keep saying this:

"I do remember a primary speech where Obama claimed (no doubt to a bunch of like-minded folks) that all that American soldiers were doing in Iraq was air-raiding villages and killing civilians, or something to that effect."

"Believe me, I heard it, I remember it, he said it."

When people on this thread ask you for proof, you deflect the issue somewhere else. All I'm asking is that you back up this comment. Show me the evidence. This is how lies and misinformation gets spread. You keep repeating this, nobody calls you on it, and then other people read it and believe it's true.

How would you respond if I said the following:

"I remember John McCain [or insert any other politician you like] making some comment during one of his primary speeches about Hispanics all being lazy. I can't remember which speech, or when it was exactly, but I'm one hundred percent certain he said it. Trust me."

Would you just trust me, or would you ask me to support that?

Lincoln,
If you want to call me a 12-year-old nit picker for telling you you got not only the essence, but the substance of a quote by a political candidate wrong, well, I guess that's fine. We all are entitled to healthy fantasy lives. But nowhere, and I mean nowhere, did I invoke neo-con or anything else. I'm talking about hubris. And speaking about hubris, it's an awfully long stretch between dissatisfaction with the results of an election and, I'm parapharasing, riots in places prone to riots. That smacks of demagogary. I really hope you don't mean what I think your implying. You have a valid point of view. Don't undermine it with something like that.

P.S.
Barry Goldwater and William Buckley would spin in their graves if that's what your idea of conservatism is.

What I mean by support is to give us the actual quote from Obama! I can't understand how this is complicated. If he really said what you claim he said, someone would have reported it. Find that quote.

Instead of simply attributing ideas to a candidate, let's hear what the candidate actually said. THEN we can argue about it. Until then, we're having a debate about nothing.

Long way from calling our troops war criminals! Yeah, I do feel better now that it's in quotes. It puts it into context. Kind of like "Bagdhad's a safe place" with the flack jackets and heavily armed contigent just out of camera view during the McCain trip this winter. Politics, baby! You're missing the larger point.
We could parse every statement and action by both candidates ad infinitem. The fact is, until we demand that they address real issues (economy, healthcare, energy policy, VA hospitals), we snipe about crap. Give me substance! My vote is till for Ron Paul.

Hey, how about sarcasm? I believe it's still a valid form of humor. Although, I admit Kucinich is a better punchline!

Lincoln,
Let me go back to your original premise. You can start listening to the news again because the vast amount of time on national news is spent on issues other than the war. The largest newshole is spent about the economy, healthcare, home foreclosures and bank fraud.

God, the Obamites are particularly defensive on this site. If only they held Obama to the same standard of specificity that they hold Internet posters, they'd be forced to agree with me.

"We've got to get the job done there," he said of Afghanistan. "And that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

If you believe that we're "just air-raiding villages and killing civilians", then you no doubt agree with Obama's assesment. Since I know for a fact that that is NOT what we're doing, I think I have the right (some would say obligation) to point out his error. But, of course, it wasn't an "error" in the traditional sense, it was a political statement meant to shore up the support of the MoveOn.org'ers of the world. I wonder if anyone of you would acknowledge any single flaw about the man, no matter how manifest. I fear not.

As for "implying" anything about riots, what's there to imply? I stated plainly that it occurs to me that in recent history citizens in certain areas of the country are prone to expressing dissatisfaction by flipping cars, beating people, and torching businesses. I know, facts are racist (I assume that was where you were going... surprise, surprise) unless they're couched in mind-numbing justifications and P.C. rationalizations, but I don't have to abide by that conventional stupidity if I don't want to.

I boycotted Target once for accusing me of stealing a $6 item after spending $280 there. I returned all the stuff and went elsewhere. I never went back and no one noticed but me and a few friends who laughed every time I said "oh, i don't shop there." Then I grew up a little.

Glad to see you have me so clearly pegged, Pete. Now go back to discussing things only with people who you are sure already agree with you.

"We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." - Barack Obama Nashua, NH Aug 13, 2007

http://www.youtube.c...

There you go. It was about Afghanistan. It was just "junior moment" while he was just "winging it" instead of reading from his cue cards.

By the way, Obama released a memo to his entourage to not wear green while visiting with Hamas and Fatah this week...because you know, as an Obama aide explained to reporters, "green is the color associated with the militant Palestinian group Hamas." http://www.cbsnews.c...

"I hear he's going to ban croissants next because they are crescent shaped."

fact: nothing makes bologna more happy than being wedged between a croissant.

Fact: All Joe's posts are about junk food and they make me hungry.

I've never been to Bolgona but I've been to Naples.
Rainier cherries are available at your local grocer RIGHT NOW. Go buy them before I spend my daughters college fund on them .

Obama wins in Massachusetts no matter what anyone thinks. Blue State.