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10 Questions for Worcester bands and musicians

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I am preparing an essay on the local music scene. I'm looking for some feed back ( no pun intended or maybe it is ):
1.What are you local pro bands charging these day for performing? (Band more than one performer )__________
Indicate how many people play in your band.___
2.For other local bands ( non-established new acts, hobbiest ) what are you charging?
3.Any local groups around here signed to a bonified label? If so name____________
if so,
4.Can you share what you can expect to earn under the first year of your contract?

General to all performers:
5.Are you useing an agency to secure gigs? ______________
6.What is your favorite tool to promote your gigs? ________________
7.Annual income from playing music ( includeing CD sales):____________________
8.Can you name at least one favorite Worcester venue that pays musicians a flat rate for the following music types:
Pop ( top 40 ) cover
Blues Covers
Jazz covers

Original Rock/Alternative
Original R&B
Original Hip Hop
Original Jazz

9.Is your group playing all or mostly original music?_______
if so
10.How often are you performing and getting paid for it?_________ ( per year)

If these questions are too personal feel free to email them to me. I will keep it confidential.

Thanks

JohnD's picture

Re: 10 Questions for Worcester bands and musicians

Just a note from the QA department. It's "bona fide".


And yet, I've lived your future out, by pounding stages like a clown

Kevin O's picture

Re: 10 Questions for Worcester bands and musicians

1.What are you local pro bands charging these day for performing? (Band more than one performer )____based on draw______
Indicate how many people play in your band.___5
2.For other local bands ( non-established new acts, hobbiest ) what are you charging?
3.Any local groups around here signed to a bonified label? If so name____Nope________
if so,
4.Can you share what you can expect to earn under the first year of your contract?

General to all performers:
5.Are you useing an agency to secure gigs? _____No_________
6.What is your favorite tool to promote your gigs? ______Facebook, Monthly Newsletter (Reverbnation), MySpace, Flyers__________
7.Annual income from playing music ( includeing CD sales):_____Probably break even just about..._______________
8.Can you name at least one favorite Worcester venue that pays musicians a flat rate for the following music types:
Pop ( top 40 ) cover No
Blues Covers No
Jazz covers No

Original Rock/Alternative No
Original R&B No
Original Hip Hop No
Original Jazz No

9.Is your group playing all or mostly original music?__All Originals_____
if so
10.How often are you performing and getting paid for it?___average 40-50 shows per year______ ( per year)


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deseeded's picture

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11. How many Supertramp covers do you know?


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Kevin O's picture

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like 33... but we only play "Bloody Well Right", "Crime of the Century", and "Take the Long Way Home".

deseeded's picture

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Hahahah! If you will play a tempo crazy synth style version of "Bloody Well Right" I promise I'll be right in the front with a crazy t-shirt on!

nisa's picture

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Thanks to Kevin O for taking time to answer my questions. I have to say good for you playing about a gig per week presenting original material.
I have had a few other responses that I have received off line.
Good luck to all with your music.
It seems, as far as I could tell, that there are a few professional musicians in this area. Most are not making their living by performing however. Many of them, even the best and seasoned players, supplement their music by teaching music and other revenue generating activities . There are a lot of folks aspiring to play music but I guess obviously, judging by the results, not as a full time career. Can Worcester sustain a professional musician? For a small few, yes, however not full time performing artist by any means. There are less than a half dozen venues that feature Jazz. No one answered with regard to Hip Hop on this site. No one knew of any local group signed by a bona fide label. To quote a local older musician :"If you wanna get burnt, you gotta get closer to the fire". So I guess it makes sense to try researching where there might be more substantial music business for musicians. I hope I find better. I appreciate that most play because they claim they "love" the music. That's nice, but I always was under the impression that doctors, lawyers, police, engineers also "loved" their work. The seasoned lifelong musicians around here also love their music. I'm just trying to figure out at what point the musical product or career ( at least in terms of live performance ), breaks from all other professional careers in terms of financial compensation.
Thanks again. Have a great summer.

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nisa wrote:

Thanks to Kevin O for taking time to answer my questions. I have to say good for you playing about a gig per week presenting original material.
I have had a few other responses that I have received off line.
Good luck to all with your music.
It seems, as far as I could tell, that there are a few professional musicians in this area. Most are not making their living by performing however. Many of them, even the best and seasoned players, supplement their music by teaching music and other revenue generating activities . There are a lot of folks aspiring to play music but I guess obviously, judging by the results, not as a full time career. Can Worcester sustain a professional musician? For a small few, yes, however not full time performing artist by any means. There are less than a half dozen venues that feature Jazz. No one answered with regard to Hip Hop on this site. No one knew of any local group signed by a bona fide label. To quote a local older musician :"If you wanna get burnt, you gotta get closer to the fire". So I guess it makes sense to try researching where there might be more substantial music business for musicians. I hope I find better. I appreciate that most play because they claim they "love" the music. That's nice, but I always was under the impression that doctors, lawyers, police, engineers also "loved" their work. The seasoned lifelong musicians around here also love their music. I'm just trying to figure out at what point the musical product or career ( at least in terms of live performance ), breaks from all other professional careers in terms of financial compensation.
Thanks again. Have a great summer.

Nisa you asked a question, didn't get many responses so you filled in the blanks with what you think is happening.

Many musicians, including myself, would be happy to talk to you about the business side of things in person. I am not going to lay out my finances on a website for a stranger doing research for an essay.

deseeded's picture

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So question, if my father had two jobs while I was a kid...teacher and auto body worker, does that make him less of a teacher? Not a good body guy?

What a crock of ass.

Good luck on that "essay". You might want to go prowl some Seattle or NYC music boards...

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deseeded wrote:

So question, if my father had two jobs while I was a kid...teacher and auto body worker, does that make him less of a teacher? Not a good body guy?

What a crock of ass.

Good luck on that "essay". You might want to go prowl some Seattle or NYC music boards...

Your old man was one of the finest teachers I ever had. Also one heck of a sharp dresser. I always wondered why he smelled like bondo.

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JoeTaco wrote:
deseeded wrote:

So question, if my father had two jobs while I was a kid...teacher and auto body worker, does that make him less of a teacher? Not a good body guy?

What a crock of ass.

Good luck on that "essay". You might want to go prowl some Seattle or NYC music boards...

Your old man was one of the finest teachers I ever had. Also one heck of a sharp dresser. I always wondered why he smelled like bondo.

your dad was my teacher too. I liked him. viva la fish tie club

Buggsy's picture

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it's entirely possible there are professional/full-time musicians in this town who DON'T post on this board... remember, the entire city populace isn't required to post here! i wouldn't say that worcester can't support full-time musicians just because none of them answered this post... that seems speculative...

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Worcester can't support full time musicians. Name one.

Phil's picture

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Name one? How's about three (of the top of my head with two moments notice)
1. Bane - Worcester's own kings of the U.S. hardcore scene. Bane's put out one quickly sold out (now obscure) six song tape that they made 5000 copies of back in 1996 before getting singed to New York's Equal Vision Records (former independent, now major label subsidiary). Two Cds on Equal Vision, "Give Blood" and "The Note" have sold in the 10,000 range. From 1996 until a few years ago they could have been considered a Worcester band with this exception, during the 7 or 8 months out of the year that they were on tour in the U.S., Canada, and Europe they weren't from anywhere in particular. Over the past few years, guitarist Aaron Dalbec (technically originally from Northboro) met a girl from Colorado, shacked up with her...now that's where he's from. Similarly, lead singer Aaron Bedard met a girl in Maryland and now lives there. Bassist Pete Chilton, Guitarist Zack and drummer Ben still all live in the area.

2. No Trigger - The pride of Dudley, Mass. (You know...just south of Charlton, west of Webster) are on major label subsidiary Time Bomb Records (owned by that dude that sings in the Offspring). They are also on tour through the U.S., Canada, and Europe at least 6 months out of the year. No numbers on their CD or online sales, but their 2006 album, "The Canyoneer" is one of my favorites evuh'. The drummer Mike Ciprianni owns a customized drum making business, but I'm pretty sure for the rest of them, their full time job is "No Trigger". What bugs me about your average Wocesterites lack of knowledge about these guys is, when I tell someone about them, they think that I'm making this up. Like I don't have anything better to do then make up imaginary bands. If I were to be making things up, don't you think that I'd be telling people that my day job was killing people for the C.I.A. or working as a porn star?...just sayin'

3. Duke Levine - Anyone ever heard of that guy? He used to be my favorite Worcester guitarist. The truth is that he's lived in Boston or New York City for the past dozen years, so I suppose that he doesn't count.

That's all I thought of in a couple of minutes. What they do have in common is that you didn't see them around Worcester all the time, because they were out of town often. You can sell a finite amount of music and merchandise in Worcester, an infinite amount of it everywhere else. The other thing they'd have in coomon is being too busy to post on a message board thread about someone's essay, unless they're on vacation like I am.
Be happy I'm not grading your essay Nisa. I'd be taking points off for faulty research and unsubstantiated assumptions.

zippyzero's picture

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You missed the point- None of those people make a living as a musician in Worcester. You're naming "sucessful"bands that have ties to the city-- I guess J Geils Band would count as well.

**Timb Bomb Records is owned by the manager of Social Distortion and is no longer affiliated with BMG/Sony.

deseeded's picture

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We really need to start a Fish Tie Club night out.

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zippyzero wrote:

You missed the point- None of those people make a living as a musician in Worcester. You're naming "sucessful"bands that have ties to the city-- I guess J Geils Band would count as well.

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OK, so by making a living in Worcester you mean playing somewhere in Worcester enough days out of the week to make it your full time job. Fine, no one does that in Worcester or just about anywhere else. That aforementioned J. Geils Band or even Aerosmith, you think they made all their money playing gigs in Boston?...of course not. They had to tour the world like any other succesfull band. They only lived in Boston (or its suburbs) when they weren't on tour. Maybe there are New York City bands that can make a living and never leave the city, maybe so in L.A. too, but I can't think of bands that make a living without going out of town in any other city.
Those No Trigger guys from Dudley...I suppose they don't count because that's so far away from Worcester that it's like living in Grafton or something.
The Bane guys, if you grew up in Newton Square and Airport Hill and went to Doherty or South High, I would say that that makes you from Worcester, not just someone with ties to the city.
I only mention them to point out that it can be done. Ask any of them and they will tell you that it's far from easy and that most of them had one or two day jobs that they worked while trying to make their music carreer take off.
Claiming that no bands or musicians ever achieve success while living in Worcester is a rationalization I hear from plenty of musicians to justify not even trying.

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Phil has been talking this talk for years and he is dead on with it. A big reason original music in Worcester fails and fails so often is the lack of people hitting the road and doing so on a regular basis. As I found out it's hard to do when you are older. You don't know how much it sucked to have the opportunity to tour the States and Europe a couple years ago and have to turn it down because of "responsibility." If you are a young band reading this get the hell out there. You have PLENTY of time to rebound from however you may temporarily mess up your life by doing it and I am fairly certain you won't regret it. You'll regret not doing it much more than you'll regret doing it.

While your out there tell people where you are from and invite bands to come back and do shows here with you.

I have always felt that certain genres of music have really suffered in this city due to the lack of real touring acts within those genres. Pretty soon you are in your 30's, you look around and realize your entire music community has died. Don't think it can't happen.

Matt's picture

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Nisa, I think, said musicians supporting themselves without supplementing their income with lessons, etc. I don't know any people like that. Every musician I know who makes their living entirely from music, either offers one-on-one lessons, or teaches at a school or a program. Others play every possible gig, with multiple bands - weddings, Bah Mitzvahs, whatever. And even those guys often supplement all those bands and dates with some kind of "straight" job.

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Yeah, I am a musician making a living playing in the city.

Mc Faddens will pay a flat rate for covers, probably top 40 stuff, definitely older stuff, but they got their slots filled. They offered me $150 for 2 hours.

I play for tips on main street. If make $20 a day, I got $600 for the month.

I spend $318 on rent, $75 on food, $50 on phone, $40 on utilities. That's only $483.


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gaberollins's picture

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Where on Main St? I have never seen a busker down here. I am curious.

4rilla's picture

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There is a guy who lives in my building who is a classically trained cellist and flutist.

He is often plays with the Boston Symphony Orchestra. He is a teacher at Indian Hill School of Music and is part of the Worcester Joy of Music Program. he is also an adjunct professor at a couple colleges included one or two in town and one as far away as Maryland. I think he goes down there once or twice a month. He gives lessons in his unit on Saturday afternoons.

Not your typical route, but all his income is derived thru music.

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What about Emil Haddad and Dick Odgren in the past. 4-5 nights in the city with some tours and Boston dates. Don't know the financials.

Besides, define making a living as a professional musician. Phil's right. The ones who do it for a living do it by touring. Nirvana didn't play all their shows in Seattle when they were "professional" musicians, just as the Ramones didn't play Rockaway Beach.

Matt's picture

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And often bands that tour aren't making a living, either. Many bands out on the road aren't earning close enough to cover their costs, never mind to put a living salary in the band members' pockets. I don't have first-hand experience with major label deals, but I've heard that a band doesn't break even with a major label's advance until they have three platinum records; and most bands don't have that.

As Gabe's earlier post pointed out, it's a game most available to the young, who might not really have any overhead. They can crash at mom and dad's, or something ike that. That's how I worked it out in my early twenties. Selling a few cassettes a night and picking up a little at the door wasn't enough to finance our trips to Portsmouth, Portland, Boston, Vermont, Western MA, etc. We lost money all over the place.

I don't want to disclose names and information for other people, but three ubiquitous area musicians I know play multiple nights a week and record and tour when possible, and yet still work full-time day jobs.

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John Snyder Music wrote:

Yeah, I am a musician making a living playing in the city.

Mc Faddens will pay a flat rate for covers, probably top 40 stuff, definitely older stuff, but they got their slots filled. They offered me $150 for 2 hours.

I play for tips on main street. If make $20 a day, I got $600 for the month.

I spend $318 on rent, $75 on food, $50 on phone, $40 on utilities. That's only $483.

um..that hardly counts as making a living...600 a month?!

Fanny's picture

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that is making a living. he makes more money than his living expenses. the phrase was "making a living" not "making a killing".


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