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duncan's picture

You can help Worcester make a strong community showing in this effort by tagging yourself on this map and leaving a little note as to why the Google Fiber Project is important to you. Let’s show Google, using their own tools, how serious we are as a community about this incredible opportunity.

  • To put yourself and Worcester on the map, you must be signed into a Google account (If you don’t have one, you should. go here to sign up).
  • Click the link below to open the Worcester Fiber for Communities map.
  • Click the “Edit” button to the left of the map.
  • Click the placemark icon (looks like a big exclamation point) to put yourself on the map and tell Google your story. Let Google know why they should choose Worcester for the Fiber for Communities project.
  • Click here to help put Worcester on the map!

    lifted with encouragement from brendanmelican.com/google-fiber-worcester/

    Matt's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Can you elaborate on these benefits, Duncan. I see from the link you provided that Google hopes to offer ridiculously fast internet to an insignificant minority of Americans (50,000 to 500,000), but is that it?

    I only ask because Google has a deplorable political and environmental reputation, due to an ecologically devastating server on the banks of the Colorado River, and their efforts to assist the Chinese government with satellite surveillance of the Chinese.

    paxton's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    That's it, Matt. Blazing fast internet access which you as an American stand little chance of seeing without this kind of experiment. The US currently being ranked 17th in network speeds internationally.

    I would think most people would see the investment google has made in next gen-energy sources and say that outweighs the deplorable environmental concerns. As to surveillance... I'm more concerned with US surveillance on Americans with assistance of US companies.

    Scruffy's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    This is a great way of forcing the telcos to roll this out as a service to their customers. We had a trial setup in Shrewsbury a few years ago (they own their own isp) and I was one of the lucky chosen few to get it installed. Once installed, they went and ran a test and then shut the whole project down, that was in 2000, I have no idea what went wrong probably cost back then. I work for a major player in the optical networking field and we were one of the first companies to make it a feasible reality through the use of optical filters and multiplexers. Long story short the industry grew fast and furiously and then the bubble burst. We are still in business however a lot of major players aren't and it is about time for a resurgence in this method of delivery. Its cheaper to install now and all of the components are now made in either China, Japan, or S. Korea so its affordable.


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    paxton's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Scruffy, that existing dark fiber is one of the reasons I think Worcester has a compelling case to be made for being a part of this project. We sank a ton of fiber in the city pre-bubble burst, and it's been sitting mostly dormant, waiting to be lit since. But even if FIOS was to be made available to Worcester, the speeds are not close to what google is offering. Amazing stuff...

    VintageShake's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Matt-
    This is the first time i've ever heard anyone say that Google has deplorable environmental and political standings, aside from sensationalist news stories by right wing publishers. From all the work they are doing trying to power their own factories and server centers, as well as fighting to keep information free, I fail to see any evidence of them... in fact, I tried searching for evidence of this and came up with nothing. Googles work with alternative energy, vehicles and open source are nothing short of amazing.
    I wonder, do you know anything about the technical world and companies such as EMC or Microsoft? Those are the ones who don't care what they are doing and are supplying the carbon emitting systems to the world. I also wonder, when things like this are said, is if people just regurgitate the first thing they might hear on Fox news.
    Can you please elaborate as well as look up the things they are doing to counteract any sort of damage they are causing? Look up Google's 'don't be evil' meetings as well. After that, if you still feel the same, can you please explain why?

    VintageShake's picture

    Re:

    Also- How can google assist the Chinese government, when they are trying to remove themselves from it?
    Google has high priority of freedom over money...
    Google has said they will pull of their services OUT of China because of what China wanted to do to its people.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/85969-google-we-will-not-change-our-stance-on-censorship

    *Edit*
    Also- why can I find no information on the server location on the Colorado river??

    delnieve's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    In re "Google is evil": We need someone to disrupt the screwed-up, monopolistic broadband market. I don't see Amnesty International stepping up to do this. If it takes a big, evil corporation to break the logjam created by other big, evil corporations, I can live with that.

    As regards privacy concerns, I really enjoyed Eben Moglen's recent talk Freedom in the Cloud. Great job of framing the problems and suggesting solutions.

    Matt's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Vintage,

    I know the industry just fine, and I do try not to regurgitate rumors. Also, I have no more respect for Microsoft or many other corporations. Did I suggest that in my post?

    See Big Asshole's links for some substantiating pieces.
    Here's another: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/03/0081946

    BTW, you might have missed articles on it due to my misidentification of the site as the Colorado River. The server is on the Columbia River.

    Secondly, the right wing never complains about the environment; you're blaming the wrong group. The right wing denies the existence of environmental problems and strenuously defends their right to destroy the environment in the name of profit, mainly through think tanks, lobbyists, and massive contributions to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, through which they've funded anti-EPA legislation, anti-health care legislation, and the Tea Party movement.

    Paxton, I'm afraid of U.S. surveillance, too. It's just that this conversation is about Google.

    Frankly, I'm not really concerned about internet speed. I don't watch much TV, and the picture looks fine to me when I do. So, if that's the primary benefit, I'm not eager to sign up. Is it posed as something that will put us on the map, or increase business prospects, jobs, population, education...all of the above?

    paxton's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    I would argue residential network speeds are the least important aspect of this project, Matt. Although wicked fast porn would be pretty great the real benefits will be...
    Healthcare: Think realtime consults internationally. Right now if a cardiologist from UMass wants to share an echocardiogram with colleague in Boston it's shipped via courier. That's silly.
    Media: I was talking to a few local filmmakers yesterday who were saying how this would be a game changer in terms of production and their goal of staying local. No more bouncing copies around the country.
    Economic Development: Infrastructure is obviously a concern for siting new business.
    Education: Primarily higher ed, but again with the collaboration and data sharing over distance in reasonable time frames.

    Simple fact is, the US is currently 17th in network speeds internationally, and that divide is growing as there's little reason for stake holders in existing infrastructure to upgrade. If we're to stay competitive in an international marketplace then as delnieve stated, we need disruptive forces to shake up the status quo.

    As to the security concerns and links provided by others, I see a handful of links indicating the NSA is helping Google investigate and prevent attacks from foreign countries; which is essentially their mission. Like it or not, large American business like Cisco and Google are a huge part of national security and get a significant amount of .gov attention. The Harpers article was very interesting two years ago, but it seems as though the actual outcome has been positive.

    Matt's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Thanks, Paxton.

    As for the health care part, I don't think that's entirely accurate, as, ironically, I just watched my online cardiogram and heart sonogram from an online server where its stored by UMass two days ago.

    I get your drift, though.

    paxton's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    No problem!
    I was thinking more along the lines of real-time consults and data sharing. But yea, there are already some great tools for digital distribution being rolled out.

    duncan's picture

    Re:

    Matt wrote:

    Frankly, I'm not really concerned about internet speed. I don't watch much TV, and the picture looks fine to me when I do.

    This is just not my way of thinking at all. That sentence kind of sounds like the old "my "x" was just fine, why did they have to go and change it" stuff my grandparents would say. Then they would find themselves years later changing the channel from their seats with the new fangled remote control or skipping to the next song on their cd player. I am sure that your TV and internet connection seem fine now, I think I just see more that can be done with the technology.

    For me more bandwidth would mean that web applications could be developed that would be richer, you could conceivable run your OS from a remote server, not needing local hard drives running your applications. This eliminates failed drives, viruses, updates and other nuisances that come along with a poorly maintained computer. The bandwidth would allow content producers to really distribute their products to you without the need for a physical distribution system. It would also mean that collaboration in real time on larger files could be possible. Tracking live instruments from multiple locations via the net, that sounds amazing to me.

    I am not criticizing people who don't want technological change or are apprehensive about it. I often think that getting back to basics and getting rid of all of it would be a relief. I just see so much cool stuff that can still be done on the net, I can't help but want to see it further.

    VintageShake's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Matt-
    I cannot read the link you provided, because I do not subscribe to that magazine/site, but BigA's articles didn't read bad to me at all ( they didn't really prove anything about google trying to assist china)... It sounded like Google did the right thing. Sensitive user data, of which I myself voluntarily provide to them in exchange for the countless services they provide to me (<3 cloud), was at risk. It seems to me that they knew they were in trouble and asked for help from someone could provide. I have no problem who they ask for help, CIA, KGB, Blackwater, whatever, as long as they don't let my information get out.
    China is repeatedly trying to get at our "shit", as it were, and they need to be shown that not all companies are pushovers. I take internet security very seriously- but also see the benefit to cloud computing and information storage (after all, that is how I make my living).
    As for the server base on the river. Yes, Major Faux pas. However, I do believe they are trying earnestly to correct any environmental mistakes they might have been making. From Recharge it, to RE http://www.google.com/corporate/green/index.html
    I'm not a gullible person when it comes to companies... in fact, I don't trust any usually, but we have been following Google and their progress for years now and i'm a big fan.

    P.S- I wasn't really insinuating anything about you regurgitating things (or that you liked Microsoft), it is just the first thing I think of- which is why I asked for more proof. I don't usually speak up, but this is one company whose mission I agree with completely. Until they do something outrageous, I will continue to support them and their services... but it would have to be pretty bad to match up with other companies out there. Lesser of 50 evils?

    Matt's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Cool beans!

    I'm not opposed to the upgrades and potential technological benefits - I welcome them! I was just muckraking and looking for some perspectives.

    dan's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Even apart from super-fast residential internet we'd attract more high-tech businesses, get a big dose of positive PR for the city, and not be forced to use cable/telcos as ISPs. I like it.

    duncan's picture

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    Big Asshole's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    that is so sweet

    nisa's picture

    Re: Google Fiber

    Booth the above vids are great . A great dichotomy of points a view. Toys is maybe most accurate in my opinion.