That is a tough tough question because it's not like we are all set and there is just one thing that could use 20 grand.
For me it would have to be something that had long lasting impact and wasn't just a flash in the pan. Something that got something started. What though? I am not sure. I am not sure what 20 grand would get me.
Easy. A museum dedicated to Paul Laffoley and Robert Anton Wilson. It would enrich the city, create tourism, educate the masses and probably save lives.
cultural for who? 90 year old rich white people or something more useful?
that said the best cultural thing would be like a skate park or maybe a small entertainment pavillion downtown.
other than that i dont know... worcester is a very blue collar town. itd seem like some 20K statue or some mural of a dog humping a rabbit would be a complete waste of $.
Craiglucantus wrote: cultural for who? 90 year old rich white people or something more useful?
culture is a vague term but it is the term that a city would use so I am using it here. It may be my opinion but for the purposes of this question, this would be culture for our population which is. --- As of the census of 2000, there were 172,648 people, 67,028 households, and 39,211 families residing in the city, making it the second largest city by population in New England, behind Boston. The population density was 4,596.5 people per square mile (1,774.8/km
I would like to see some accessible public art installations and other projects that beautify the city.
other than that i dont know... worcester is a very blue collar town. itd seem like some 20K statue or some mural of a dog humping a rabbit would be a complete waste of $.
I dont think Worcester is as blue collar as it was in 2000 and even if it is; why do you think that the average blue collar worker doesnt appreciate public art? I think anything that improves the look of the city will make people feel good about living here. cool architecture, murals, clean streets...
ok so this may be a bit of a tangent but:
how about stricter signage laws? some of the homemade signs on businesses around town are really pretty bad. There's something to be said for taking pride in what you do, caring about the neighborhood you open your business in and making it welcoming and clean.
Wirrlygirl wrote: I think anything that improves the look of the city will make people feel good about living here. cool architecture, murals, clean streets...
I think that art can have quite the opposite effect on people. I see bad murals and they infuriate me.
Clean streets I can agree with but that is not the cultural spending that I am speaking of. Architecture, well, $20k isn't going to put up any buildings any time soon.
... They offered a cost of $21 million, but have refused to explain the figure. Greg Allen and the New York Times attempted to itemize the costs and could account for about $5-10 million, given reasonable estimates for parts, labor, and costs related to the staffing of the installation.
Wirrlygirl wrote: my most sensible use of the 20 grand would help artsworcester have this 3 ton sculpture moved out of storage and installed down by federal square.
I could do the museum for $20,000 and think my idea is still the best but I suppose for $20,000 I could throw a New Years event in Worcester that could be a hipper alternitive to First Night, I would call it Last Day(no buttons to get in but your palm will have to have a glowing red orb to prove you belong). Maybe on Green st/Water st/Kelly Sq. Jerkus Circus instead of Clowns, beer sampling at the Dive, Scotch tasting at the Grey Hound, an all ages rock show somewhere, A local art exhibit at that gallery on water St featuring Joey Mars et al., Live 80's karaoke with flock of Assholes and a live version of Match Game with me hosting and 6 local worcester area celebrities (thinking of Dickie in the Charles Nelson Riley seat) as the panel.
To start an annual festival, to be held in Green Hill Park on Columbus Day Weekend, which was designed both to showcase and promote local art and music, and to encourage people to become more educated about how to live in environmentally friendly ways. The focus of the festival would be on embracing the local--local music, local artists, local food and drink, locally produced goods, etc.
So, as at all festivals, there would be a stage or two for musicians to play over the course of the day, and local artists and makers would have booths to showcase their wares, but all of this would be supplemented by exhibits or booths which promoted environmentally friendly practices and products--we'd have New England Rain Barrel there, and let someone sell clothespins and laundry lines, and have the Audubon society there with things for little kids, the Heifer Project, etc.
I know Columbus Day weekend is a travel weekend, so it wouldn't catch everyone--but it would give people a reason to stay in town. A few of us have been talking about this idea since this past summer, but feeling overwhelmed by the logistics of things like permitting, getting money, soliciting sponsors, etc., and we haven't moved on it like we were hoping to. If the heavens dropped $20,000 in our laps, I'm sure that would kickstart it.
I would give $5k to Jacob for HBML and $15k to Stone Soup. Both of these efforts have created lots of great stuff, connected people doing great stuff, and gotten kids involved in great stuff. Both of these are in my neighborhood, low-overhead, and need the money.
Actually now that I think of it, I would use the 20 grand to start a Start on the Street type thing for underground music, except the goal wouldn't be to promote local music but to promote Worcester as a place to come for music. It would be outside and inside, multipal venues, in the Green Island neighborhood. It would start small, you only have 20 grand, but the goal would be that this festival is annual and grows every year, to the point where it is getting national attention at least with the indie and underground music press. Of course you could eventually tie in visual art and film with this but I would start it all with the music, and I would start it small, with as I said, the goal being to grow it, year by year. The long term of this is a region that has a more positive opinion and view of Worcester, specifically the urban areas of Worcester. It will showcase Worcester as a viable urban option in the Northeast to young creative people besides NYC, Boston and Providence and maybe create an inspiration for other events throughout the year. The national recognition though is key. If the only people that would go to the thing are from Rutland it just doesn't matter.
gaberollins wrote: It would start small, you only have 20 grand, but the goal would be that this festival is annual and grows every year, to the point where it is getting national attention at least with the indie and underground music press.
ahhh! an idea that involves spending the money on something with the intention of it generating more money, its own money, not grant money. Seed money, for lack of a better term.
who does that serve? if the goal of spending the 20K is to do it logically, then the logical choice would be for something that the majoirty of people in worcester actually like so it could thrive.
and your answer to that, as shocking as it may be is hip hop. hip hop influences your majority of culture in worcester. the average person would get much more bang for the buck for that.
Who says there wouldn't be hip hop there? Who says there wouldn't be electronic music there? Who says there wouldn't be country music, folk, hardcore, punk....????
sure if something is executed in poor concept or design then yeah, opposite effect- especially if it is a long term feature of a neighborhood.
And good art not seeing the light of day due to lack of funding or interest is frustrating too. so when I said that "my most sensible use of the money" I was thinking of this note worthy sculpture that is just sitting in the dark for years after being donated. So, would I rather see it installed at Union station or at Christy's in NY being auctioned off? I would hope to keep it in the city if possible. so when i thought, how could i use this imaginary 20K immediately this popped into my head.
I believe that public art reflects the culture of a community, boosts civic pride, and makes a place more enjoyable to visit- for generations of residents and tourists. I want to see more of it in this city and I think that public art has a place right next to everyone elses ideas.
Wirrlygirl wrote: sure if something is executed in poor concept or design then yeah, opposite effect- especially if it is a long term feature of a neighborhood.
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And good art not seeing the light of day due to lack of funding or interest is frustrating too. so when I said that "my most sensible use of the money" I was thinking of this note worthy sculpture that is just sitting in the dark for years after being donated. So, would I rather see it installed at Union station or at Christy's in NY being auctioned off?; I would hope to keep it in the city if possible. so when i thought, how could i use this imaginary 20K immediately this popped into my head.
This is not imaginary money. The city is bled dry in $20,000 increments year after year. We are a city of people who believe murals benefit us somehow. If you asked the average Worcester resident if they would like a mural or a tax credit, I would not be surprised by their choice.
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I believe that public art reflects the culture of a community, boosts civic pride, and makes a place more enjoyable to visit- for generations of residents and tourists.
Public art reflects the interest of the handful of people who facilitate its appearance. Let's not get carried away with its origins and value to the public. I am a huge fan of art, in public and in private. I am in no way suggesting that we not have it, what I am really suggesting is that a mural is not a good way to spend money.
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I want to see more of it in this city and I think that public art has a place right next to everyone elses ideas.
you don't need to wish, the money is already spent on public art. score one for public art!
So what part of that Wiki article did you want me to see? Was it the part about : "State sponsored public art, particularly murals, are often used by totalitarian regimes as a tool of mass-control and propaganda." or "Public art has often been used for political ends. Perhaps finding its greatest expression in the widespread use of public art by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War, that led directly to the policy developed by Lenin to install public art of heroes and artists in every village in the Soviet Union. "
Would $20,000 be better spent funding an artists craft in the form of equipment? A new kiln or some equipment for a worthy artist or musician, or how about a subsidized art space in exchange for art that could be owned by the city? Would an artist donate a few pieces of work to a city and its gallery in exchange for a place to create in? I think that they would. Imagine if the investment of something as small as $20,000 could be turned around into something that makes the city money, beautifies our surroundings, has a lasting impact on the cultural landscape, while simultaneously helps the cultural community? Why can't Worcester try and do something that actually grows legs instead of half-assing its attempts at public culture?
What has me thinking about $20,000 is the mural going up on Green Street. It's a small amount of money but it is a physical manifestation of the way that our community spends money.
duncan wrote: So what part of that Wiki article did you want me to see? Was it the part about : "State sponsored public art, particularly murals, are often used by totalitarian regimes as a tool of mass-control and propaganda." or "Public art has often been used for political ends. Perhaps finding its greatest expression in the widespread use of public art by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War, that led directly to the policy developed by Lenin to install public art of heroes and artists in every village in the Soviet Union. "
I think that we can safely blame our worsening relations with Russia as a direct result of our Green St. mural crumbling away.
First off I will agree that the Green St. mural certainly leaves something to be desired. The city could have commissioned any number of talented graffiti street artists for that space.
Not all graffiti is "bad" or "illegal" and this location could have been a great showpiece for a cutting edge piece of "urban" art. A nice graffiti mural that had a message and a slogan in bold colors and design could have been completed in a weekend at a fraction of the cost.
As far as what I would do if I had $20K:
I would use the money to fund after school, weekend or off hours activities for middle school aged kids in the area.
Get these "at risk" kids off the streets and paired up with mentors and/or big brothers/sisters to do things that are cool, hip and interesting, just like the Ali Bombz "Main South Speaks" project.
Reading about the success of kids who attend The University Park School shows that there are kids out there who will try hard and can break the cycle that they are in if they are given a chance to thrive.
I think using the money to uplift children can be the best way to break the cycle of poverty and abuse and raise up a community as a whole.
as I am reading through this thread, I realize that I want to make it clear that I am not against art. I certainly don't want this to be about Donna Vayo and her artwork on Green Street. I just don't understand the spending, whether or not the art is to my liking is irrelevant.
on a side note; the surface of that bridge did not take paint very nicely the last time. Will this one last longer? Has paint primer technology advanced much in the past couple decades?
I had initially typed funding programs for kids, as was just mentionned, but didn't have a direct outlet to fund,
but here here...I do think it would do good for them.
Of course, having kids and a want for good opportunities pours over to other children as well, so yes, anything to keep them steered down positive paths would definitely get my thumbs up... be it enriching existing centers that specialize in this (is the old ToyStore down by Tatnuck still a youth center?
An influx of computers or technologies, or sponsoring of "field trips" for these youths in the realms of arts sciences and technologies could open doorways in their minds otherwise not explored....
These kids need less negative influences and more role models.
ok... well that sounds radicool. my point is that if it was spent wisely it'd be directed towards something that was actually what the majority wanted.
I would love to know what the majority of Worcester wants. I would love to know that on so many levels about so many things. I have my theories, but I would love to actually know for sure.
Well that's just it Gabe, could you ever really find out what the majority of Worcester wants? because in a way there really is no "majority". There are so many facets and demographics and ethnic / cultural differences, that there is no way in hell you're gonna please everybody.
Thing is, I feel the *majority* as a culmination of many of these "facets" aren't even going to be aware of what these efforts are, or are too damn indifferent to care, and sad as it is, it's the truth...not just Worcester, but abroad, and even small towns, where you might think a sense of community would run rampant, there is oft nothing but indifference. To do something on a big scale to get ALOT of people excited would chew up half your monies in advertizing... sure there are outlets to create "buzz" or what have you, but when you're plunking down 20 grand, I dunno about you, but I wouldn't want to gamble on word of mouth being enough to get people in the door. I dig your festival idea, but in a way, I'd want the money to have a more lasting effect on the community, instead of a singular event that will come and go but have no lasting effect but to possibly stick in people's heads for a year later it maybe hapenning again...I dunno...I'm not poo poo-ing on any ideas here, mind you, just find this "task" daunting...but I'm still thinking...obviously enough it wuould be nice to have it be something you're truly passionate about, but in the end, who is it serving, you or the community...
So imo, you need to eschew the bigger picture and focus on the on one thing and only that. Who are you trying to please? Is it the Elderly? If it was them, they'd tell you to Charter a bus to Foxwoods (I'm joking)... Inner City Youth? Hipsters? WASP-y Soccer Moms? Family Activities? A particular Ethnicity? There's so many options it's scary to be sure enough of one thing to commit.
But I do second the thoughts on murals and infuriating. Still thinking......
This is a giant consideration. The murals in this city, are you a fan of them?
I see this one everyday and I love it. and when i went back to this quote you had edited what you said here...
Would an artist donate a few pieces of work to a city and its gallery in exchange for a place to create in? I think that they would.
The point of my last post was exactly this. someone donated a large sculpture and it is sitting in storage. Its not the artists willingness in question here but how it is welcomed by the city and the community.
Will this one last longer? Has paint primer technology advanced much in the past couple decades?
from what i have read about this project a lot of consideration was made in the preparation of the wall and the materials that are being used so that it will last longer.
So what part of that Wiki article did you want me to see?
i put the link there for anyone who wanted to see more about public art w/o me ranting on about it. I particularly like how the article primarily shows sculpture and architecture as examples. Imo sculpture is a more successful medium for outdoor art as paint tends to need more maintanance.
This thread is a great example of why nothing gets done in Worcester. On top of all the other things that go on in this city I think there is a tremendous attitude of die hard individualism that keeps people from working together and has everyone off in their own little corner doing their own thing instead of working together on a common goal. It's hard enough just to find people who have a common goal.
When I say I would want to know what the majority of people want in Worcester the one thing I would like to know is what are the things people want from Worcester. What would you like to see happen here? What would make the city better for you, your family and loved ones? What would make you proud to call Worcester home?
If you can get a large group of people together that have one vision that can put personal desires away for that common vision then no one can stop you.
Alot of people here are in bands. Say you have four people in a band and you guys are playing the best music anyone has ever heard. If all four of you aren't on the same page as far as what you want from the band that band in the end isn't going anywhere. Even if you are on the same page as to what you want from the band you also need to be on the same page as to how you are going to get what you want from the band.
I feel it's the same with any type of group effort. People cannot do it alone. Whatever was done with that 20 Grand I would hope it would be something that has legs (that creates it's own money), that takes in multiple mediums of art, and that helps the community at large. I can get behind anything that does those three things and I would help out on anything that was going towards those three things.
Personally I would like to see one of the urban neighborhoods in Worcester rise up and become a great place to live, play, and create. A self sustaining neighborhood that almost becomes it's own little village that you really don't even have to leave and you surely don't need your gas guzzeling car to get around in. A walkable neighborhood with great bars, restaurants and shops, that is brimming with music, art, creativity and overall vibrancy. That's what I want ultimately from Worcester and I only want it in one neighborhood. It would be great if it spread to other neighborhoods but I would be satisfied with one. I am not going to try and sell anyone on this idea in this thread, I have done enough of that in the past and will continue to do so in the future. This is what I want from the city though and I would be willing to work my ass off with anyone with a plan I could believe in that would result in this.
Can you clearly say what it is that you want from the city? Do you have a vision of what things would be like if where you lived was exactly like how you want it to be? If so speak up! I want to hear what peoples visions are of the Worcester they would love to live in. Duncan maybe I should start another thread?
My two cents- As an artist, I really don't care about any of this. I create for one person- me. If people like what I do, awesome; if not, that's fine. I write and perform how I want and that's it. I don't care if my work brings communities together, tears them apart or is ignored. I would imagine that most artists feel the same way. That being said, I think this whole discussion is pretty useless. What would I do with the money- I would make a record.
A walkable neighborhood with great bars, restaurants and shops, that is brimming with music, art, creativity and overall vibrancy. That's what I want ultimately from Worcester and I only want it in one neighborhood. It would be great if it spread to other neighborhoods but I would be satisfied with one.
I bounced the idea of this thread off a friend last night. I posed the question: If there was one thing that you would want to see in worcester or felt that worcester was lacking, what would it be?
His answer was almost exactly what you just posted. a walkable neighborhood with restaurants and shops but more along the lines of a "little chinatown".
so i wonder...what neighborhood has that potential or is currently heading in that direction? what are the missing elements and what would you do to make that neighborhood better?
Actually Gabe this thread is a great example of how some people just don't pay attention very well.
What does 'Worcester' want? Hmmmm... if only we had a research bureau to, I dunno, do research on such things.... maybe we could call it the Worcester Regional Research Bureau... and we could pay them millions to bring conventional wisdom to life in the form of terrible charts and power point presentations that nobody will ever read. And then those same people will pretend the answers contained in those terrible charts and presentations stem from questions which have never been asked. Until today.
Paxton kills my thought process again. You're the best. You win. I am done with these conversations. I will stick to talking about how awesome The Kinks are. YOU WIN! YOU ARE AWESOME! AND SMARTEST DUDE!!!!!!!!
C'mon that's one ragged thought process if a single url was able to slay it.
And what's with the Engrish?
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Not fair Gabe, no redactions allowed during league play.
Even the free movies & music in the park could be extended upon to include local artists and more local musicians- what about a joint event happening in all parks on any given day to touch upon multiple neighborhoods- it would be a massive effort and 20k would be a great starting point. I think it would be superb for people to jump from park to park...art, music, kid friendly, pet friendly...take all of the events we love in Worcester and blend- act as a single entity for the day or better yet an entire weekend. I realize my idea isn't developed but you get the point...
Hey Duncan, where does the $20K figure really come from? I don't really see it in that press release link (this one).
I've heard other obscene amounts that the city reportedly paid for the GSB mural, but none as high as that, and I can't seem to find any other info on it. If it is as high as 20K, that's completely fucking unacceptable.
$20,000. Use to renovate an old factory building on Lamartine Street, Beacon Street, or even the Chess King building on Hammond / Tainter and do something like, oh I don't know... MassMOCA... A real art museum, an INCLUSIVE museum that welcomes not just the traditional boring art, but also the way too difficult to explain abstracty stuff, the difficult to endure performance art stuff and the oh my god my life wasn't complete until I saw this truly life enriching freeflowing whatever it is art... And more... Not a Worcester Artist Group, but a better run Worcester Artist Group meets MassMOCA meets renegare bizarro indie stuff... and I'd definitely have Jacob Berendes on retainer as a talent finder... But Worcester doesn't think outside the box, so $20,000 will be wasted on pretty much anything. Sorry, but...
Hey Duncan, where does the $20K figure really come from? I don't really see it in that press release link (this one).
I've heard other obscene amounts that the city reportedly paid for the GSB mural, but none as high as that, and I can't seem to find any other info on it. If it is as high as 20K, that's completely fucking unacceptable.
Second, actually do-able idea... GRAFITTI / street art museum OUTSIDE in Brosnihan Square on the overpass where 146 connects with 290. Underneath where these two routes connect are some perfectly awesome spaces for some thought out, well produced (NOT Green Street Bridge) outside mural art (please look at Philadelphia's murals, please). I was up in Quebec City and stumbled across an outside street art museum of sorts under a highway and it was absolutely beautiful. ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/78135474@N00/115054577 )
The pieces here are ever changing and the walls have been graced by world renown gallery shown artists to local taggers. All legal, all DIY, no taxpayer of grant monies needed. Just a straight up legal space for artistic expression.
Check out the pictures you will see that anything and everything there makes the Green Street Bridge look sad indeed.
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That is a tough tough question because it's not like we are all set and there is just one thing that could use 20 grand.
For me it would have to be something that had long lasting impact and wasn't just a flash in the pan. Something that got something started. What though? I am not sure. I am not sure what 20 grand would get me.
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Easy. A museum dedicated to Paul Laffoley and Robert Anton Wilson. It would enrich the city, create tourism, educate the masses and probably save lives.
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I know that $20k is not a lot of money but it is the exact figure that I wanted to use for this question.
You have to spend it, come on guys, where is it going?
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cultural for who? 90 year old rich white people or something more useful?
that said the best cultural thing would be like a skate park or maybe a small entertainment pavillion downtown.
other than that i dont know... worcester is a very blue collar town. itd seem like some 20K statue or some mural of a dog humping a rabbit would be a complete waste of $.
"what?"
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culture is a vague term but it is the term that a city would use so I am using it here. It may be my opinion but for the purposes of this question, this would be culture for our population which is.
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I digress, but those income figures are scary compared to the housing market...
Of course, if we are talking about a municipally run project, assume that X will cost twice as much as you'd expect.
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I would like to see some accessible public art installations and other projects that beautify the city.
I dont think Worcester is as blue collar as it was in 2000 and even if it is; why do you think that the average blue collar worker doesnt appreciate public art? I think anything that improves the look of the city will make people feel good about living here. cool architecture, murals, clean streets...
ok so this may be a bit of a tangent but:
how about stricter signage laws? some of the homemade signs on businesses around town are really pretty bad. There's something to be said for taking pride in what you do, caring about the neighborhood you open your business in and making it welcoming and clean.
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I think that art can have quite the opposite effect on people. I see bad murals and they infuriate me.
Clean streets I can agree with but that is not the cultural spending that I am speaking of. Architecture, well, $20k isn't going to put up any buildings any time soon.
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my 2 cents on the 20k was going to some kind of interactive public installation.
something along the lines of Cristo's Gates for central park.
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... They offered a cost of $21 million, but have refused to explain the figure. Greg Allen and the New York Times attempted to itemize the costs and could account for about $5-10 million, given reasonable estimates for parts, labor, and costs related to the staffing of the installation.
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my most sensible use of the 20 grand would help artsworcester have this 3 ton sculpture moved out of storage and installed down by federal square.
I would need time to cook up an idea for a park based installation project but something in that budget should be feasible.
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wow, that's the sensible option!? :-)
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I could do the museum for $20,000 and think my idea is still the best but I suppose for $20,000 I could throw a New Years event in Worcester that could be a hipper alternitive to First Night, I would call it Last Day(no buttons to get in but your palm will have to have a glowing red orb to prove you belong). Maybe on Green st/Water st/Kelly Sq. Jerkus Circus instead of Clowns, beer sampling at the Dive, Scotch tasting at the Grey Hound, an all ages rock show somewhere, A local art exhibit at that gallery on water St featuring Joey Mars et al., Live 80's karaoke with flock of Assholes and a live version of Match Game with me hosting and 6 local worcester area celebrities (thinking of Dickie in the Charles Nelson Riley seat) as the panel.
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To start an annual festival, to be held in Green Hill Park on Columbus Day Weekend, which was designed both to showcase and promote local art and music, and to encourage people to become more educated about how to live in environmentally friendly ways. The focus of the festival would be on embracing the local--local music, local artists, local food and drink, locally produced goods, etc.
So, as at all festivals, there would be a stage or two for musicians to play over the course of the day, and local artists and makers would have booths to showcase their wares, but all of this would be supplemented by exhibits or booths which promoted environmentally friendly practices and products--we'd have New England Rain Barrel there, and let someone sell clothespins and laundry lines, and have the Audubon society there with things for little kids, the Heifer Project, etc.
I know Columbus Day weekend is a travel weekend, so it wouldn't catch everyone--but it would give people a reason to stay in town. A few of us have been talking about this idea since this past summer, but feeling overwhelmed by the logistics of things like permitting, getting money, soliciting sponsors, etc., and we haven't moved on it like we were hoping to. If the heavens dropped $20,000 in our laps, I'm sure that would kickstart it.
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I would give $5k to Jacob for HBML and $15k to Stone Soup. Both of these efforts have created lots of great stuff, connected people doing great stuff, and gotten kids involved in great stuff. Both of these are in my neighborhood, low-overhead, and need the money.
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Actually now that I think of it, I would use the 20 grand to start a Start on the Street type thing for underground music, except the goal wouldn't be to promote local music but to promote Worcester as a place to come for music. It would be outside and inside, multipal venues, in the Green Island neighborhood. It would start small, you only have 20 grand, but the goal would be that this festival is annual and grows every year, to the point where it is getting national attention at least with the indie and underground music press. Of course you could eventually tie in visual art and film with this but I would start it all with the music, and I would start it small, with as I said, the goal being to grow it, year by year. The long term of this is a region that has a more positive opinion and view of Worcester, specifically the urban areas of Worcester. It will showcase Worcester as a viable urban option in the Northeast to young creative people besides NYC, Boston and Providence and maybe create an inspiration for other events throughout the year. The national recognition though is key. If the only people that would go to the thing are from Rutland it just doesn't matter.
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ahhh! an idea that involves spending the money on something with the intention of it generating more money, its own money, not grant money. Seed money, for lack of a better term.
I like it.
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indy and underground music?
who does that serve? if the goal of spending the 20K is to do it logically, then the logical choice would be for something that the majoirty of people in worcester actually like so it could thrive.
and your answer to that, as shocking as it may be is hip hop. hip hop influences your majority of culture in worcester. the average person would get much more bang for the buck for that.
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Who says there wouldn't be hip hop there? Who says there wouldn't be electronic music there? Who says there wouldn't be country music, folk, hardcore, punk....????
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sure if something is executed in poor concept or design then yeah, opposite effect- especially if it is a long term feature of a neighborhood.
And good art not seeing the light of day due to lack of funding or interest is frustrating too. so when I said that "my most sensible use of the money" I was thinking of this note worthy sculpture that is just sitting in the dark for years after being donated. So, would I rather see it installed at Union station or at Christy's in NY being auctioned off? I would hope to keep it in the city if possible. so when i thought, how could i use this imaginary 20K immediately this popped into my head.
I believe that public art reflects the culture of a community, boosts civic pride, and makes a place more enjoyable to visit- for generations of residents and tourists. I want to see more of it in this city and I think that public art has a place right next to everyone elses ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_art
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This is a giant consideration. The murals in this city, are you a fan of them?
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This is not imaginary money. The city is bled dry in $20,000 increments year after year. We are a city of people who believe murals benefit us somehow. If you asked the average Worcester resident if they would like a mural or a tax credit, I would not be surprised by their choice.
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Public art reflects the interest of the handful of people who facilitate its appearance. Let's not get carried away with its origins and value to the public. I am a huge fan of art, in public and in private. I am in no way suggesting that we not have it, what I am really suggesting is that a mural is not a good way to spend money.
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you don't need to wish, the money is already spent on public art. score one for public art!
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So what part of that Wiki article did you want me to see? Was it the part about : "State sponsored public art, particularly murals, are often used by totalitarian regimes as a tool of mass-control and propaganda." or "Public art has often been used for political ends. Perhaps finding its greatest expression in the widespread use of public art by the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War, that led directly to the policy developed by Lenin to install public art of heroes and artists in every village in the Soviet Union. "
Would $20,000 be better spent funding an artists craft in the form of equipment? A new kiln or some equipment for a worthy artist or musician, or how about a subsidized art space in exchange for art that could be owned by the city? Would an artist donate a few pieces of work to a city and its gallery in exchange for a place to create in? I think that they would. Imagine if the investment of something as small as $20,000 could be turned around into something that makes the city money, beautifies our surroundings, has a lasting impact on the cultural landscape, while simultaneously helps the cultural community? Why can't Worcester try and do something that actually grows legs instead of half-assing its attempts at public culture?
What has me thinking about $20,000 is the mural going up on Green Street. It's a small amount of money but it is a physical manifestation of the way that our community spends money.
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lets just say you had a vote on the t&g of everything mentioned on here vs. spending all 20K on bringing snoop dog to east park for a free show.
snoop-a-loop would win every time dudes.
the answer is snoop-a-loop
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I think that we can safely blame our worsening relations with Russia as a direct result of our Green St. mural crumbling away.
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First off I will agree that the Green St. mural certainly leaves something to be desired. The city could have commissioned any number of talented graffiti street artists for that space.
Not all graffiti is "bad" or "illegal" and this location could have been a great showpiece for a cutting edge piece of "urban" art. A nice graffiti mural that had a message and a slogan in bold colors and design could have been completed in a weekend at a fraction of the cost.
As far as what I would do if I had $20K:
I would use the money to fund after school, weekend or off hours activities for middle school aged kids in the area.
Get these "at risk" kids off the streets and paired up with mentors and/or big brothers/sisters to do things that are cool, hip and interesting, just like the Ali Bombz "Main South Speaks" project.
Reading about the success of kids who attend The University Park School shows that there are kids out there who will try hard and can break the cycle that they are in if they are given a chance to thrive.
I think using the money to uplift children can be the best way to break the cycle of poverty and abuse and raise up a community as a whole.
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as I am reading through this thread, I realize that I want to make it clear that I am not against art. I certainly don't want this to be about Donna Vayo and her artwork on Green Street. I just don't understand the spending, whether or not the art is to my liking is irrelevant.

on a side note; the surface of that bridge did not take paint very nicely the last time. Will this one last longer? Has paint primer technology advanced much in the past couple decades?
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I had initially typed funding programs for kids, as was just mentionned, but didn't have a direct outlet to fund,
but here here...I do think it would do good for them.
Of course, having kids and a want for good opportunities pours over to other children as well, so yes, anything to keep them steered down positive paths would definitely get my thumbs up... be it enriching existing centers that specialize in this (is the old ToyStore down by Tatnuck still a youth center?
An influx of computers or technologies, or sponsoring of "field trips" for these youths in the realms of arts sciences and technologies could open doorways in their minds otherwise not explored....
These kids need less negative influences and more role models.
blech.
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ok... well that sounds radicool. my point is that if it was spent wisely it'd be directed towards something that was actually what the majority wanted.
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I would love to know what the majority of Worcester wants. I would love to know that on so many levels about so many things. I have my theories, but I would love to actually know for sure.
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Well that's just it Gabe, could you ever really find out what the majority of Worcester wants? because in a way there really is no "majority". There are so many facets and demographics and ethnic / cultural differences, that there is no way in hell you're gonna please everybody.
Thing is, I feel the *majority* as a culmination of many of these "facets" aren't even going to be aware of what these efforts are, or are too damn indifferent to care, and sad as it is, it's the truth...not just Worcester, but abroad, and even small towns, where you might think a sense of community would run rampant, there is oft nothing but indifference. To do something on a big scale to get ALOT of people excited would chew up half your monies in advertizing... sure there are outlets to create "buzz" or what have you, but when you're plunking down 20 grand, I dunno about you, but I wouldn't want to gamble on word of mouth being enough to get people in the door. I dig your festival idea, but in a way, I'd want the money to have a more lasting effect on the community, instead of a singular event that will come and go but have no lasting effect but to possibly stick in people's heads for a year later it maybe hapenning again...I dunno...I'm not poo poo-ing on any ideas here, mind you, just find this "task" daunting...but I'm still thinking...obviously enough it wuould be nice to have it be something you're truly passionate about, but in the end, who is it serving, you or the community...
So imo, you need to eschew the bigger picture and focus on the on one thing and only that. Who are you trying to please? Is it the Elderly? If it was them, they'd tell you to Charter a bus to Foxwoods (I'm joking)... Inner City Youth? Hipsters? WASP-y Soccer Moms? Family Activities? A particular Ethnicity? There's so many options it's scary to be sure enough of one thing to commit.
But I do second the thoughts on murals and infuriating. Still thinking......
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it's not really culture, and who knows if it's logistically possible, but I still think a skydive festival at the airport would be a good time
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I see this one everyday and I love it. and when i went back to this quote you had edited what you said here...
The point of my last post was exactly this. someone donated a large sculpture and it is sitting in storage. Its not the artists willingness in question here but how it is welcomed by the city and the community.
from what i have read about this project a lot of consideration was made in the preparation of the wall and the materials that are being used so that it will last longer.
i put the link there for anyone who wanted to see more about public art w/o me ranting on about it. I particularly like how the article primarily shows sculpture and architecture as examples. Imo sculpture is a more successful medium for outdoor art as paint tends to need more maintanance.
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This thread is a great example of why nothing gets done in Worcester. On top of all the other things that go on in this city I think there is a tremendous attitude of die hard individualism that keeps people from working together and has everyone off in their own little corner doing their own thing instead of working together on a common goal. It's hard enough just to find people who have a common goal.
When I say I would want to know what the majority of people want in Worcester the one thing I would like to know is what are the things people want from Worcester. What would you like to see happen here? What would make the city better for you, your family and loved ones? What would make you proud to call Worcester home?
If you can get a large group of people together that have one vision that can put personal desires away for that common vision then no one can stop you.
Alot of people here are in bands. Say you have four people in a band and you guys are playing the best music anyone has ever heard. If all four of you aren't on the same page as far as what you want from the band that band in the end isn't going anywhere. Even if you are on the same page as to what you want from the band you also need to be on the same page as to how you are going to get what you want from the band.
I feel it's the same with any type of group effort. People cannot do it alone. Whatever was done with that 20 Grand I would hope it would be something that has legs (that creates it's own money), that takes in multiple mediums of art, and that helps the community at large. I can get behind anything that does those three things and I would help out on anything that was going towards those three things.
Personally I would like to see one of the urban neighborhoods in Worcester rise up and become a great place to live, play, and create. A self sustaining neighborhood that almost becomes it's own little village that you really don't even have to leave and you surely don't need your gas guzzeling car to get around in. A walkable neighborhood with great bars, restaurants and shops, that is brimming with music, art, creativity and overall vibrancy. That's what I want ultimately from Worcester and I only want it in one neighborhood. It would be great if it spread to other neighborhoods but I would be satisfied with one.
I am not going to try and sell anyone on this idea in this thread, I have done enough of that in the past and will continue to do so in the future. This is what I want from the city though and I would be willing to work my ass off with anyone with a plan I could believe in that would result in this.
Can you clearly say what it is that you want from the city? Do you have a vision of what things would be like if where you lived was exactly like how you want it to be? If so speak up! I want to hear what peoples visions are of the Worcester they would love to live in. Duncan maybe I should start another thread?
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My two cents-
As an artist, I really don't care about any of this. I create for one person- me. If people like what I do, awesome; if not, that's fine. I write and perform how I want and that's it. I don't care if my work brings communities together, tears them apart or is ignored. I would imagine that most artists feel the same way.
That being said, I think this whole discussion is pretty useless. What would I do with the money- I would make a record.
www.beeskneesmusic.com
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I bounced the idea of this thread off a friend last night. I posed the question: If there was one thing that you would want to see in worcester or felt that worcester was lacking, what would it be?
His answer was almost exactly what you just posted. a walkable neighborhood with restaurants and shops but more along the lines of a "little chinatown".
so i wonder...what neighborhood has that potential or is currently heading in that direction? what are the missing elements and what would you do to make that neighborhood better?
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Actually Gabe this thread is a great example of how some people just don't pay attention very well.
What does 'Worcester' want? Hmmmm... if only we had a research bureau to, I dunno, do research on such things.... maybe we could call it the Worcester Regional Research Bureau... and we could pay them millions to bring conventional wisdom to life in the form of terrible charts and power point presentations that nobody will ever read. And then those same people will pretend the answers contained in those terrible charts and presentations stem from questions which have never been asked. Until today.
http://www.wrrb.org
I'd spend the 20k on a gold plated stripper pole and have it installed permanently in the center of the common.
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YOU WIN! YOU ARE AWESOME! AND SMARTEST DUDE!!!!!!!!
C'mon that's one ragged thought process if a single url was able to slay it.
And what's with the Engrish?
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Not fair Gabe, no redactions allowed during league play.
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I thought I would revive this thread because Derek Ring posted a insightful and spot on analysis of the mural on Green Street.
Here is a link, click it, it's good.
http://derekring.blogspot.com/2009/06/enough-someone-has-to-say-it.html
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Wow! Great link, Duncan.
Maybe the Sprout seed bombs will grow plants over the mural.
http://www.hatondrinkingwine.com
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His blog post is currently the featured "local blog" on the front page of Boston.com
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Kids and Schools...maybe involve local artists/musicians with afterschool programs; that is an investment that could have a big cultural payback
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Even the free movies & music in the park could be extended upon to include local artists and more local musicians- what about a joint event happening in all parks on any given day to touch upon multiple neighborhoods- it would be a massive effort and 20k would be a great starting point. I think it would be superb for people to jump from park to park...art, music, kid friendly, pet friendly...take all of the events we love in Worcester and blend- act as a single entity for the day or better yet an entire weekend. I realize my idea isn't developed but you get the point...
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Worcester could totally use one of these:
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Hey Duncan, where does the $20K figure really come from? I don't really see it in that press release link (this one).
I've heard other obscene amounts that the city reportedly paid for the GSB mural, but none as high as that, and I can't seem to find any other info on it. If it is as high as 20K, that's completely fucking unacceptable.
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snoop-a-loop...
nobody would give a shit about anything else.
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$20,000. Use to renovate an old factory building on Lamartine Street, Beacon Street, or even the Chess King building on Hammond / Tainter and do something like, oh I don't know... MassMOCA... A real art museum, an INCLUSIVE museum that welcomes not just the traditional boring art, but also the way too difficult to explain abstracty stuff, the difficult to endure performance art stuff and the oh my god my life wasn't complete until I saw this truly life enriching freeflowing whatever it is art... And more... Not a Worcester Artist Group, but a better run Worcester Artist Group meets MassMOCA meets renegare bizarro indie stuff... and I'd definitely have Jacob Berendes on retainer as a talent finder... But Worcester doesn't think outside the box, so $20,000 will be wasted on pretty much anything. Sorry, but...
dsquared graphic design
http://www.dsquared.org
Doug-Cab
http://www.dsquared.org/dougcab.html
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Hey Duncan, where does the $20K figure really come from? I don't really see it in that press release link (this one).
I've heard other obscene amounts that the city reportedly paid for the GSB mural, but none as high as that, and I can't seem to find any other info on it. If it is as high as 20K, that's completely fucking unacceptable.
Exactly.
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Second, actually do-able idea... GRAFITTI / street art museum OUTSIDE in Brosnihan Square on the overpass where 146 connects with 290. Underneath where these two routes connect are some perfectly awesome spaces for some thought out, well produced (NOT Green Street Bridge) outside mural art (please look at Philadelphia's murals, please). I was up in Quebec City and stumbled across an outside street art museum of sorts under a highway and it was absolutely beautiful. ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/78135474@N00/115054577 )
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I actually just used "The Wall At Central Square" which is a legal street art wall in Cambridge as an example in my comment on Derek's blog.
http://www.flickr.com/groups/wallatcentralsquare/
The pieces here are ever changing and the walls have been graced by world renown gallery shown artists to local taggers. All legal, all DIY, no taxpayer of grant monies needed. Just a straight up legal space for artistic expression.
Check out the pictures you will see that anything and everything there makes the Green Street Bridge look sad indeed.