Anyone else bothered by this?

gaberollins's picture

So someone got stabbed in the chest at 4:30 in the afternoon across the street from City Hall last Wednesday. What I am bothered by even more than the stabbing itself is the lack of any public reaction to this. This lack of reaction says to me that most of Central Massachusetts feels that people get stabbed in downtown Worcester every day and there is no reason to react because it's just business as usual. This is the public opinion of downtown.

This is a huge problem that the city better figure out how to fix before they think about doing anything else down here.

This has been bothering me since Saturday morning when I found out it was a fact that this happened. It doesn't even rate as a major story for the Telegram. Does this bother anyone else or am I the only person in Worcester that cares about downtown?


worst to first

Stacy's picture

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Details? I mean I think people would be more concerned if it were a random act of violence... not that that is justified but personally I find a high percentage of the crime (in this category) in our city is within certain cliques anyway and the wopo is pretty familiar with those groups.

gaberollins's picture

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That's my whole point. Details and an arrest. I can't get details from anyone. Tried the Chief's office and got nothing. The Telegram hasn't done any kind of follow up. I mean if you are going to brush it under the rug, than brush it under the rug. But if it is out there, as a citizen I want to know that it is a priority of my police department that stabbings are not tolerated in what SHOULD be the centerpiece of the city.

Stacy's picture

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So how did you hear about it to begin with? I wouldn't jump the gun though maybe there is a good reason why they're not releasing the details at this time. Call me an optimist but I try to believe that there is a method to their madness! (obviously not all the time)

gaberollins's picture

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Through friends, so I didn't jump the gun until I read about it in the Telegram. At 4:30 it will be a week. No follow up no statement from police or City Hall, nothing but a very small article buried in the paper.

Kind of what I am trying to figure out is this. Is it better to bury something like this or better to let a little bit of it leak out and then hope it all goes away? Once I know about something like this I want some details. And as I said in the original post I am just as bothered by the fact that in the paper, in the blogs, on the message boards, on talk radio, on the comments of the actual story in the paper, I seem to be the only one concerned at all that a dude can just go into our downtown, stab someone in the chest and then go about his regular day to day.

What kind of message does that send?

Louie's picture

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What surprised you about this? That the Telegram had one article and nothing else? I have seen with my own eyes many things in Worcester (like terrible auto accidents) that never get any paper time. So unless someone got stabbed to death, the Telegram could give a shit less.

Please go down to the police station and ask them, don't call the Chief's office, he is looking at the new 2009 tricked out Chargers and thinking what kind of cheese to eat at the next chop-outing.

gaberollins's picture

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Went down there, who do you think gave me the phone number to the Chief's office?

Louie's picture

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HAHAHAHA. You're fucked then.

pete's picture

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I've kind of steered clear of this thread, but...
the cops got the kid who did the thing (Mon. Telegram I beleive). It was probably a beef (according to the story) and the po po knew who they were looking for. Certainly not a Christian act, but not a random act either.

gaberollins's picture

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Hey Pete. Thanks. That is all I was looking for. Couldn't find it at all in the online version of the Telegram.

My concern as I said was more the perception. I think we all take for granted how much of an insider city Worcester is. Everyone who posts here regularly knows that downtown is not dangerous. I am more concerned with someone who doesn't know any better hearing about it who has had ten suburbanites tell them how "scary" downtown is and then they hear someone got stabbed down there simply because they bumped into someone else which is how the original Telegram story reported it.

pete's picture

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You know what Gabe? I would have thought you were exagerating if I hadn't seen the comments posted on the Telegram website in response to a story about Worc.'s population dropping. The remarks were ignorant and hateful.

tnovick's picture

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It is unfortunate. I'm always surprised by the number of people who continue to have the perception that Worcester is an inherently dangerous place.
Meanwhile, last week, my kids and I took the bus downtown and happily ate our snack on the Common park bench, listening to a man down the way practice his guitar. Then we wandered over to the library.
While I suppose that might make a good picture, it will never make an article.

Stacy's picture

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tnovick wrote:
It is unfortunate. I'm always surprised by the number of people who continue to have the perception that Worcester is an inherently dangerous place.
Meanwhile, last week, my kids and I took the bus downtown and happily ate our snack on the Common park bench, listening to a man down the way practice his guitar. Then we wandered over to the library.
While I suppose that might make a good picture, it will never make an article.

So true. My daughter loves public transportation, it's an adventure when you're a kid, hell even as an adult. My ex takes her to the library several times a week and they eat lunch on the common.

tnovick's picture

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Yes, the buses are definitely under appreciated when it comes to child entertainment!

Lincoln's picture

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This kind of reminds me of the kerfuffle over that carnival a few months ago. I opened the paper and there was (I'm sure you all remember) a brief article that blithely remarked on "200-300 kids running through the Common, being pursued by officers with riot gear/pepper spray, etc.". I think that there were no arrests and the story rapidly shifted gears to the Carnival's closing time, etc.
Are these actual "cover-ups"? Probably not, but if neither the PD nor the T&G wants to talk about something, then the populace remains blissfully ignorant.

gaberollins's picture

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That's it though. What it is really is piss poor reporting by the Telegram and poor public relations by the city. If you are going to cover it up, cover it up, but if there is going to be anything in the paper, get the whole story, report it correctly, get statements from the city, AND do a follow up piece.

Lincoln's picture

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Yes. The police have multiple obligations (privacy of the victim, privacy of the defendant, actually pursuing the case, etc.) that I understand can make it impossible for them to fully and honestly disclose information.
But the paper and it's employees? They serve multiple masters by their own choice. Reading just about any local story in the T&G, it's easy to see the political, "social" and P.R. considerations that were considered before the article was put to print. God only knows how convoluted (or even conscious at this point) the process is when it comes to reporting on crime in Worcester, particularly downtown. But if you're going to call yourselves a newspaper, rather than a political pamphlet or a "Coffee News"-type time-killer, then you should act like one. The T&G hasn't acted like a real newspaper for years.

Barbicide's picture

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This was under the local news section on the yahoo main page. I was slightly shocked to see it.
http://telegram.com/article/20080720/NEWS/807200389/1008/RSS01&source=rss

Lincoln's picture

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That's nuts. A little old for bar-fights, aren't we boyos?

A few years ago, a buddy of mine and I had to do some work on Thanksgiving morning, and then had to kill an hour before we went back to the job to pick up a check. Long story short, we thought we'd kill the hour at the Pleasant Cafe, which was nearby and open. It was like walking into a depressing 1950's bar scene set on Skid Row. Beer in water glasses, a 12-inch b+w TV tuned to Bonanza, and perhaps a dozen old-timers staring sullenly into their drinks (when they weren't bumming cigarettes, mumbling to themselves, etc.). It was the most depressing thing I'd ever seen in Worcester. As we left, we bought a round for the house and I've never, EVER, gone back. For a month after that, I'd inwardly wince just driving by the place. Sad, sad, sad.

Lincoln's picture

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In fairness to the T&G (not that they'd ever return the courtesy), I was impressed by their up-to-date coverage of the "body on Kilby" story that showed up today. The part that was cool was the video clip of the reporter (I think his name is Scott Croteau?) at the scene. While Scott is not quite ready for prime-time in his delivery, appearance, etc., the fact that they had the initiative to do a web-linked video from the scene of the story was impressive.
As newspapers die off faster than whales off the coast of Japan, this kind of updated, on-line, local coverage may preserve some of their market share. I have no idea if they do this for a lot of stories or not, but if they were to update it (the video portion) a few times a day, they might still serve a purpose once the Web has obviated their industry.

CrutchingTiger's picture

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If I didn't know any better, I'd say the contributers to this thread were a bunch of scared, little old ladies who watch too much local news.


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Lincoln's picture

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http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Worcester&s1=MA&c2=Providence&s2=RI

The above site is a decent place to get facts and figures about how dangerous Worcester really is, as opposed to other cities of similar size.
What's a good city to compare with Worcester?
I tried a comparison with Providence and Worcester isn't all that bad.

Apparently we have about twice the national average in rapes and assaults, but we only have half the rate of murders, so maybe that's a wash.

Stacy's picture

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CrutchingTiger wrote:
If I didn't know any better, I'd say the contributers to this thread were a bunch of scared, little old ladies who watch too much local news.

Pshhhh...look who's fashionably late...

deseeded's picture

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Getting stabbed in the chest does not sound like a fun time.

Glad they caught the kid. Maybe banning all types of knives will be thrown around at the next council meeting?


The nine most terrifying words in the English language: "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"

gaberollins's picture

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Hey JD, my problem isn't the fear of the crime, it's the cities public reaction to it, which was no reaction.

Ask yourself what would happen and what Menino and the Globe's reaction would be if someone got stabbed in the chest at 4:30pm on a weekday in front of the hatchshell.

My point of it was that obviously no one gives a rat's ass what goes on downtown.

There isn't a no bullshit zone in the entire urban core of the city and there needs to be. There needs to be a couple neighborhoods in this city where every asshole in Worcester knows that if they commit any major crimes that the police are going to drag you down to some backlot off Webster St and beat the living shit out of you. I know this is illegal but do you really think it doesn't happen in other cities?

At that point and probably only at that point will the type of people who think it makes perfect sense to just go around stabbing dudes in the chest get the idea that in some neighborhoods that stuff just does NOT happen and will not be tolerated.

deseeded's picture

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More conceal carry firearm permits. These stabby little pricks might think twice when some grandma pulls out a glock and shoots him in the ass while he's trying to get away with her purse.

JoeTaco's picture

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Lately there has been more reports of vigilante type justice or at least civilians getting involved in stopping crime. People are getting sick of the bullshit.

Lincoln's picture

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Come now, boys, this is Massachusetts. Strict enforcement and public vigilance are not the answer. If you really want to address the problem, then you should support programs that work!!! Like painting murals communicating the virtues of diversity, or setting up a "Cultural and Community discussion panel" to deal with relevant social service agencies and "heavily affected communities". Maybe even some harmonic convergence or an extra class or two on how we are "all the same on the inside" should be added to the public school curriculum? Remember, in MA, there are no bad people, only sad people.
Let's turn those gang-bangers frowns upside down! Together we can!